Incognigo Montoya

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  Need some advice, my gf just tried to commit suicide (very long post)

  by Jayk in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  sorry for the grammar and spelling errors if any..(me 29 raised in the org) (gf 25 not raised) just left her at the hospital with (call her sara).. sara had just ingested half a bottle of her antidepressant pill and half a bottle of melatonin.

  this took place after a discussion we where having about a recent event that took place.

  long story short, sara told me she slept with my best friend/coworker(call him tim) after a argument we had, the morning after it supposedly happened.. i was pretty torn but i was maintaining and i even thought sara was lying because tim was such a good friend.

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  Incognigo Montoya

  So, what about your friend? Is that still up in the air, or do you have a definitive answer as to what she told you?

  What you witnessed in this situation, actually were a part of, is scary and overwhelming. You most definitely should talk to a professional about it, and seek some help, answers, and perhaps closure, for yourself. If you don't, you're likely to continue to mentally re-live this for quite some time, and this can take a toll on you. I have experienced something very similar, having to rush a loved one, very dear to me, to an emergency room, after she ingested an overdose of pills, in a desperate call for help. It is scary, and I was helpless to do anything, which to me, as a man, is a foreign concept that I have a difficult time accepting. But I needed answers. The answers, from a professional, and patience, helped. I hope you seek help from a professional, someone you can give all the details to, and who can safely help you decipher them, and get you to a place where you can move forward to more healthy relationships. My heart goes out to you, and to Sara. Take care.
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  JW cars.

  by zeb in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  for some reason former jw friends came to mind and i thought of their car how it was a mess of clothes, squashed food and other grunge.

  they had adult kids who could have cleaned it once a while.. others had vehicles that never saw a spanner and another which rode the highways on bald tyres.. hmm a bit too spiritually minded perhaps?.

  is auto neglect common out there?.

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  Incognigo Montoya

  Zing, you've never had a car?!
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  Do You Support a Sex Strike?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  alyssa milano is saying that women have to go on a sex strike to take control of their bodies.

  what do you think about this?.

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  It's an attention grab. Are you a celebrity, not getting enough attention? Tweet, publicly say, or do something ridiculous, and get all the attention your heart desires. Theres no such thing as bad publicity. Especially when you're a C- celebrity.

  See; Kathy Griffin, Donald Trump, Kanye West, Roseanne Barr, everyone who's ever been a host of the view, Jesse Smollett, etc...
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  Do You Support a Sex Strike?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  alyssa milano is saying that women have to go on a sex strike to take control of their bodies.

  what do you think about this?.

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  She can withhold all the sex she wants, I'm not sleeping with her.

  I was fortunate enough, and smart enough to pick a woman who has a whole lot more sense, than ms Milano. She enjoys sex too much, and is far too intelligent to play silly psychological games and withhold it. Besides, who wants to punish themselves in a ridiculously desperate grab for attention.

  Incidentally, I've been on a Alyssa Milano strike since Charmed, and so it seems, has any movie and tv show, worth watching...
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  JW cars.

  by zeb in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  for some reason former jw friends came to mind and i thought of their car how it was a mess of clothes, squashed food and other grunge.

  they had adult kids who could have cleaned it once a while.. others had vehicles that never saw a spanner and another which rode the highways on bald tyres.. hmm a bit too spiritually minded perhaps?.

  is auto neglect common out there?.

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  Incognigo Montoya

  ...speaking of JW cars, I was watching the latest Cedars rebuttal of the 2019 convention videos, and one particular video, about not pursuing a full time career, stood out. So in this video, its career day at high school, and two young "brothers" are conversing about it. One of the boys gets a glimpse of his future, if he goes ahead and pursues his dream job, full time. He envisions himself, pulling up to a group of friends (also jw "brothers" portraid in suits) in a newer Honda Civic, 4 door. These friends are all admiring his new car, and he's proud of it, his new job affording him this new car. Later, when he continues his day dream, as it goes south, he is selling off his car, because it's not a necessity.

  So many problems with this.

  1. A 2018 Civic 4 door, is a dream car to a 17 year old? Really...

  2. Portaying a newer, modest, 4 door automobile as, materialistic, is a new low imo. In my day, as a witness, it would've been regarded as a practical service vehicle. But 17 year old me didn't want a 4 door. I wanted a 2 door sports car, which is what all teenage boys should be fantasizing about, when day dreaming of their future, car owning, selves. (Substitute, 4x4, muscle car, motorcycle, or other non practical, flashy vehicle, if your taste isn't sports cars)

  Anyway, just shameful that any aspect of wanting to better yourself, or driving something newer and nice, even though it is practical, is all packaged up as wrong, and demonized. Reinforcing; a good jw's car should be older, not even moderately "flashy".
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  Why doesn't the Watchtower Society never study the Bible cover to cover?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the 40 years as a jehovah's witness, i never read the bible cover to cover.

  the three meetings a week were broken up with book studies, awake and watchtower magazines,and ministry& field service meetings, all written by the watchtower society.

  never did we read any chapters from genesis to revelation and discuss the true meaning of what we just read.

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  Yes, the first talk covered a few consecutive chapters in a sequential bible book, and the number 2 talk was a bible reading of a small, select few verses of one of those chapters, in the book, covered by the number 1 talk. This was done weekly, taking (i believe) about 2 1/2 years or so to cover the entire bible. You were supposed to read the entire bible chapter selections in your personal preparation for the meeting. So only 15-20 minutes were devoted to an average of 5 or so chapters of the bible, per week. Enough time to skim, but not nearly enough time to delve in. So, have I read the bible cover to cover? Yes. Have I studied the bible, cover to cover? No. And I would bet most witnesses, if honest, would respond the same.
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  JW.org marks International Women's Day 2019

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for the second year in a row, the org has marked international women's day.

  this time, it's an article that lists most female bible characters in alphabetical order with a brief summary for each, topped by a picture of them in 'empowering' poses.

  rey and captain marvel would be proud lol.. .

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  Incognigo Montoya

  Yah, is there some kind of statement, noting international women's day? I would be shocked if they acknowledged it at all. Absolutely shocked. Blondies comment would be my line of thought as well, if it is actually in recognition of international women's day.
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  Why doesn't the Watchtower Society never study the Bible cover to cover?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the 40 years as a jehovah's witness, i never read the bible cover to cover.

  the three meetings a week were broken up with book studies, awake and watchtower magazines,and ministry& field service meetings, all written by the watchtower society.

  never did we read any chapters from genesis to revelation and discuss the true meaning of what we just read.

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  Incognigo Montoya

  After coming back, I mentioned to an elder who had befriended me, that my wife and i were gonna read the bible from.cover to cover, as i really hadn't done that before, and neither had she (she wasn't a witness) the next meeting he brings me a printed out copy of a study guide, he downloaded from JW.org. it is an outline of how the society recommends you read the bible. And it "hopscotches" all over the different books. He insisted that this would help in understanding the bibles true meaning and would make it less confusing to read. I believed his sincerity, but just could not understand why in the world I needed to read the bible in their order. It really bothered me. Ultimately I never followed through and read it cover to cover. JeffT, your explanation makes perfect sense.

  Wish I still had the outline to show you all. Threw it out. Maybe someone here knows what I'm talking about.
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  Corporal punishment

  by Incognigo Montoya in

  1. social
  2. family

  so i just finished watching the latest cedars video on spanking children.

  i like lloyd, and think that overall he does a good job covering issues in his videos.

  but i've gotta disagree with him on this issue, to a point.. i don't agree with beating your children, but i do believe in spanking, when appropriate.

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  Incognigo Montoya

  Thank you for the response TD. I respect your view, though I obviously disagree. My experience says otherwise.
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  Corporal punishment

  by Incognigo Montoya in

  1. social
  2. family

  so i just finished watching the latest cedars video on spanking children.

  i like lloyd, and think that overall he does a good job covering issues in his videos.

  but i've gotta disagree with him on this issue, to a point.. i don't agree with beating your children, but i do believe in spanking, when appropriate.

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  Incognigo Montoya

  Olig, I don't agree that; spanking may help build pain tolerance, is a good reason to spank. I simply feel that nature teaches with pain. Touch a hot stove, you're gonna get burned. Insist on teasing a dog, you're gonna get bit, stick a fork in a socket, you're gonna get electrocuted.

  So, do I let them do those things and learn the lesson the hard way? If I do, we risk, long term pain, infection, trauma, even death.

  I can sit them down and have a conversation about what will happen if they touch it, both physically, and disciplinary. Maybe they listen, learn, and never try again.

  But what of the stubborn child who insists on doing it again? A smack to the hand associates pain to the action (let's not forget that if I weren't there, and he succeeded in touching, he'd be in pain anyway) My pain is much more temporary, though the lesson learned will perhaps last, but with far less side effects than the actual consequences, if they were to succeed in the follow through.

  Maybe they do it again, anyway. And perhaps the hard way is the only way they learn. Well, at least I tried a more benign way. But that's realistic discipline.